Post by sveraes on Sept 30, 2011 14:19:14 GMT 1
This is theories developed by what logic we can find.
Blizzard has not made it easy for us with several different bits of information going by their own logic not readily interchangeable, and yet everything is connected. Notably each new creation wavers between titans as gods, as living creatures or something else.
Lately encountered these, so called old gods. Yet even as the guardians of azeroth we are running around like children chasing a doe, when they first are learning how to hunt. What are they? I know what you are thinking, that I am being reckless and that I am a child for doing what it takes to learn about them. No matter, I force no action upon you.
To understand them we must understand divine magic. The priestess of the moon draws their strength from Elune, pleading her to lend them her strength, the holy light is no different, faith draws power. In truth a shaman worshipping the elements is also divine magic. This is entirely different from arcane or fel magic, which is a matter of channelling magic currents. The shaman would call upon a multitude of elemental spirits inhabiting the land and ask for their favour. The Elementals wrecking havoc on the land are spirits that have taken, or been given, a corporal form.
Interestingly a mage can conjure forth elementals, this is not divine magic, the mage is here using his mastery of elemental energy to create a husk, similar to how a necromancy using mage can give “life” to a corpse.
I'll start explaining you the big things and then the smaller things.
First, there is the matter of eternals - Cenarius, Malorne, Avianna. There is also The elemental lords, Hakkar and Sargaras. The Titans and The old gods, yet what exactly they are requires more explanations. Spirit beings of immense power and conscious. They've been able to take a corporal form, this can be destroyed but their spirit can not. Elune, the holy light and the forgotten shadows do not have corporal forms, they puzzle me, perhaps they are on a different level. It is a difficult subject, in the realm of spirits a different logic applies, but to me eternals would seem to be sentient spirits of higher power. The highest deities is what mainly drives diving magic, however others still holds power.
Here is another little thought to see if you've understood the world yet. Magic was gifted to azeroth by the titans, possibly norgannon. Let it stand in your mind, divine magic interacts with the whole world, as the world interacts back to divine magic. Arcane being a most forceful part of the world can interact with divine magic too. It may already have become too complicated for you, well don't read on, for - the spirits direct the world, even we do, we direct ourselves.
Yes we are spirits ourselves, however alone we have very little power. Yes we are, amongst the troll jindo came back to life, by dealing with spirits as a spirit. So in summery spirits interact both with the world and the spirits, as the world is also an expression of the spirits.
The sentience of spirits.
Most beliefs see spirits as living entities, eternal and able to manipulate our world, they have wishes and they can be reasoned with. Who is the holy light and who is the forgotten shadows? They are no one. The paladin would tell you, that it is because the holy light is truly divine while the rest our pantheon is merely spirits of extreme power. It is more complicated, spirits are both sentient and non-sentient, simultaneously. This is how spirits can be forced. Yes, when the blood elves took the holy light they forced it, using arcane. At this point the arcane address the spirit as non-sentient a divine ocean that can be manipulated like the arcane. In the emerald dream we witness the wild spirits without the interference of civilisation. There we can direct their interactions onto the world restoring nature. Going back to the example with the water elemental, as the mage forms water into a moving body the non-sentient spirit can also end up in it, with the sentient part them emerging from the worlds interaction with the spirit, here the elemental water.
Blizzard has not made it easy for us with several different bits of information going by their own logic not readily interchangeable, and yet everything is connected. Notably each new creation wavers between titans as gods, as living creatures or something else.
Lately encountered these, so called old gods. Yet even as the guardians of azeroth we are running around like children chasing a doe, when they first are learning how to hunt. What are they? I know what you are thinking, that I am being reckless and that I am a child for doing what it takes to learn about them. No matter, I force no action upon you.
To understand them we must understand divine magic. The priestess of the moon draws their strength from Elune, pleading her to lend them her strength, the holy light is no different, faith draws power. In truth a shaman worshipping the elements is also divine magic. This is entirely different from arcane or fel magic, which is a matter of channelling magic currents. The shaman would call upon a multitude of elemental spirits inhabiting the land and ask for their favour. The Elementals wrecking havoc on the land are spirits that have taken, or been given, a corporal form.
Interestingly a mage can conjure forth elementals, this is not divine magic, the mage is here using his mastery of elemental energy to create a husk, similar to how a necromancy using mage can give “life” to a corpse.
I'll start explaining you the big things and then the smaller things.
First, there is the matter of eternals - Cenarius, Malorne, Avianna. There is also The elemental lords, Hakkar and Sargaras. The Titans and The old gods, yet what exactly they are requires more explanations. Spirit beings of immense power and conscious. They've been able to take a corporal form, this can be destroyed but their spirit can not. Elune, the holy light and the forgotten shadows do not have corporal forms, they puzzle me, perhaps they are on a different level. It is a difficult subject, in the realm of spirits a different logic applies, but to me eternals would seem to be sentient spirits of higher power. The highest deities is what mainly drives diving magic, however others still holds power.
Here is another little thought to see if you've understood the world yet. Magic was gifted to azeroth by the titans, possibly norgannon. Let it stand in your mind, divine magic interacts with the whole world, as the world interacts back to divine magic. Arcane being a most forceful part of the world can interact with divine magic too. It may already have become too complicated for you, well don't read on, for - the spirits direct the world, even we do, we direct ourselves.
Yes we are spirits ourselves, however alone we have very little power. Yes we are, amongst the troll jindo came back to life, by dealing with spirits as a spirit. So in summery spirits interact both with the world and the spirits, as the world is also an expression of the spirits.
The sentience of spirits.
Most beliefs see spirits as living entities, eternal and able to manipulate our world, they have wishes and they can be reasoned with. Who is the holy light and who is the forgotten shadows? They are no one. The paladin would tell you, that it is because the holy light is truly divine while the rest our pantheon is merely spirits of extreme power. It is more complicated, spirits are both sentient and non-sentient, simultaneously. This is how spirits can be forced. Yes, when the blood elves took the holy light they forced it, using arcane. At this point the arcane address the spirit as non-sentient a divine ocean that can be manipulated like the arcane. In the emerald dream we witness the wild spirits without the interference of civilisation. There we can direct their interactions onto the world restoring nature. Going back to the example with the water elemental, as the mage forms water into a moving body the non-sentient spirit can also end up in it, with the sentient part them emerging from the worlds interaction with the spirit, here the elemental water.